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Don’t berate Sanders supporters for reluctance to support Clinton, explain to us how she is going to deserve our votes.
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Hint: “Shut up and take what we give you” is both unsatisfactory as an answer and exactly what I expect from the Clinton camp.
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Dave, I have a big problem with this.The two candidates are (among other things) liars, cheats, ungodly, pro-abortion, etc. So how do you vote for the lessor of two evils, when you still end up with evil?
Ask Bernie himself.
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If you liked Bernie (as I do as a one who voted for him in the primary) Hillary in the senate voted the same as Bernie something like 98% of the time. On pretty much every issue, her and Bernie are pretty much the same except for slightly greater willing to intervene militarily, maybe even more than Obama, but far less than any major GOP candidate.
She is smart as hell and prepared for the demands of the office. She is tremendous on women’s issues and always has been. I concede that her LGBT creds are weaker, but I am confident she will protect Obama’s legacy on these issues.
Her election [over Trump] is essential for appointments to SCOTUS.
I am least happy about her willingness to use the military and suspect she will disappoint on NSA issues, but so did Obama.
SCOTUS probably the number one reason she needs to win. I don’t like to bring it up in debates because it’s also the number one reason conservatives must vote for trump regardless of how ridiculous he is.
What I am asking is what will she do to move things in a progressive direction? My feeling is absolutely nothing, I’m asking someone to change my mind.
Well, mostly she will keep us on the current progressive path which Obama took us on. Which is maybe a more gradual approach then us Bernie supporter would like, but probably the healthiest way to go. If we move too fast, we may end up with another civil war like scenario. It’s probably better that we make one or two steps forward each year; health insurance reform one year, gay marriage a few years later etc. With slower progress, we face less resistance, and as the other side see these things working, over time they come to accept them. Additionally, the drastic changes Bernie suggested would not likely get through congress anyways.
As a Bernie supporter, you’re going to get far more of what you seek with Hillary than with Trump. Not everything just the way you want it, but a lot more.
Hillary will not seek to repeal anything Obama has done – chiefly the ACA.
But she does need to seriously fix the ACA, which is great in principle, but has some serious problems.
True, but Trump wants to dismantle it. He also wants to somehow strengthen states rights with regard to same sex marriage, Hillary of course would leave that alone. Is Hillary more of the same of Obama? Probably, but Trump is saying he wants to take apart so much of what was done the past eight years….
Y’all are strongly illustrating my core point. I am LITERALLY BEGGING to be inspired by the HRC candidacy and what I’ve gotten is:
1) She’s smart
2) She’s not Trump (SCOTUS)
3) She will not change the status quo.
Y’all do understand that I was inspired and moved by the Sanders campaign because he was running AGAINST the status quo. He made me feel like a better America was possible – not “Make America Great Again” but making it great in a way it has never been before. What HRC is offering is that she won’t light the country on fire. She will continue to play kissy face with the big banks and the large corporations and continue to erode the middle class, just like the 5 presidents that preceded her (one of whom was her husband.)
Do you not understand why there is an enormous excitement and inspiration gap? I’m being given all these realpolitik reasons why I have to vote for her. Can no one give me anything to make me happy about this?
Electing the first woman to the presidency will make me very happy. Of course, I like her and I always have so that makes me happy too.
I’m confused by why you need to be happy to do the thing that benefits your family the most.
well, what is she makes Liz Warren her VP?
James Slusher By telling me it is irrelevant if I want to vote for the candidate, you’ve lost me on this for good. Don’t forget that you spent all of 2008 angry at me for not supporting candidate Obama because I felt like his agenda was to support the status quo, and that he’d lean way towards big business at the expense of the populace.
Anthony Carathimas I would happily and enthusiastically support a Warren candidacy because she has a strong history of valuing the things I value, and going to bat for what I care about. This is what HRC lacks.
James Slusher I am asking for something better than “Because I have to.” You keep saying to me there is nothing better. That is a shitty way to run a railroad.
I’m done. Good night and good luck.
ok so you ignore the fact that Bernie and HRC voted the same something like 93% of the time when they were both in the senate and the fact that Bernie himself endorsed her. If you consider Bernie to be the standard, then Hillary still got a solid A in comparison. Given that we like Bernie because he stands on principle, he would not be endorsing her if he didn’t think she would make the better president. Does that not mean anything to you?
Also, if this talk is bringing you down, I have a more recent post about fishing pills out of soiled underthings. There is something for everyone in this egalitarian society we have built.
Don’t trust anything Hillary says Dave. She will change her mind in due time. She waffles to the whim of the day and doesn’t stand on principle consistently. That’s why most folks aren’t capable of providing the details you want. Because she doesn’t have a consistent record.
Just research her position on gay marriage over the past 20 years as a prime example. She panders according to the audience.
Also, as far as her reining in the banks – come on now guys. She has lots of friends on Wall Street. Why won’t she release the recordings of her Wall Street meetings?
Competent? Come on now. Email server debacle. Clearly she doesn’t exercise good judgement.
What you want this cycle vis a vis the status quo is not possible because Bernie lost. Hilary isn’t going to help you on that. Trump holds a promise of upending the establishment, but not in a progressive way. Quite the opposite. You’re just not going to be happy this election. We’ve got a moldy cheese sandwich and a shit sandwich. Both gross, but one WILL be shoved down our throats. I know, it’s a bad answer, but I’ll take the moldy cheese.
Because it’s her turn, dammit. 🙂
Oh and she’s a woman, I mean we totally need to check that box just for the sake of that.
Substance is overrated. Check boxes are where it’s at.
You two are making me laugh. 🙂
Y’all are on the other side of the fence from me politically, but I am finding a hard time disagreeing with all this. That “their turn” business happens a lot though. It’s why we had Dole 96 even though it obviously wasn’t happening. He got the privilege of getting creamed for waiting patiently since 1976.
I’m a Libertarian. This election makes me more proud of that than usual. Usually it’s soggy cereal vs burnt toast, but this year it’s cat crap vs dog crap. Sanders did not share my political beliefs, but he seemed to have been a decent person, and I could have lived with that. So, pick your crap flavor, or come join those of us that vote our conscience. Choose Jill Stein, Gary Johnson, Vermin Supreme, or whoever, just stop rubber stamping crap.
Explicit vote trading is illegal but I have thought that Green party and Libertarian Party should work together to try to get both parties 5% of the popular vote nationally.
If we follow Johnies C slippery slope reasoning, after Hillary, in 8 years we’ll be electing a Walwurs or something like that.
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And shes not even running against Bernie anymore
Based on her VP pick, I’d say she doesn’t give a shit about our votes.
I don’t think you can make that jump. The most important thing for all of us is that she beats Trump, what good is it if she picks someone Bernie like and loses.
I don’t know this Kain guy, but labor unions and woman rights groups instantly endorsed him.
Kaine’s ratings from key progressive groups:
Brady Campaign 100%
Human Rights Campaign 100%
Planned Parenthood 100%
AFL CIO 96%
My point is, lets not jump to conclusion and keep an open mind
NARAL gave him an F.
that’s not what I found: “While Senator Kaine has been open about his personal reservations about abortion, he’s maintained a 100% pro-choice voting record in the U.S. Senate. He voted against dangerous abortion bans, he has fought against efforts to defund Planned Parenthood, and he voted to strengthen clinic security by establishing a federal fund for it,”
There is nothing wrong with personal reservations about abortion and as long as we don’t try to impose our personal reservations on others, there should be no problem. Actually his reasoning to accept that others may think differently and are entitled to there opinion should be considered a major plus.
He pledged in his 2005 gubernatorial campaign to reduce the number of terminated pregnancies in the state by promoting adoption and abstinence-focused education.
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In a 2007 NARAL scorecard, Kaine was described as a “mixed-choice” governor and his state got an F grade thanks in part to a number of laws and other policies restricting access to abortions. Two years later, Kaine upset both local and national reproductive rights groups by signing a law that authorized the sale of customized “Choose Life” license plates. Kaine argued he was supporting free speech, but his critics complained that the law would fund pro-life organizations and didn’t square with another very important hat that he was wearing at the time: Obama’s personally picked head of the Democratic National Committee.
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What he did in an executive role was very different.
I search google and I only see references to the facebook post saying he had F rating from NARAL. If he did, maybe he has evolved on this issue, or maybe he didn’t realize what the plates funds were used for at the time of sign. Maybe he thought he was allowing freedom of expression. We can confirm he is not anti-prochoice through his voting record
“Tim Kaine has a perfect 100 score from the NARAL folks, and a perfect 100 with the gay-left Human Rights Campaign. ”
This is also quite promising “after two years in the Senate, Tim Kaine has a perfect zero on the conservative scale.”
actually, the plates thing seems like a non issue. From what I read “Virginia offers more than 200 specialty plates, including plates that recognize colleges and military units and groups such as the Sons of Confederate Veterans or express viewpoints such as “Friend of Tibet” or “In God We Trust.”
In Georgia, we only have two custom plates (I think). In Virginia they have more that 200 promoting all types of issue and seems Kaine saw it as free speech issue “”If Planned Parenthood . . . or another similar organization ever chooses to seek a specialty license plate in Virginia, I believe the constitution would require the state to approve that plate to protect against any viewpoint discrimination,”
His policy positions don’t mean much. VP at the end of the day doesn’t do much. Moldy cheese or shit sandwich. And hey, you want Kaine or pence?
if the policy is that any organization can do a custom license, the any organization that is not inherently evil can not be deigned, it is a matter of free speech
State funding of a non-medical, deceptive, “charity” organization is what I have a problem with. People can write anything they want all over their cars.
He has also been unwavering in his support for the Trans-Pacific Partnership, and he has an F rating with NORML (an organization I do not personally care about).
I am not saying any of this makes him a bad person or even necessarily a bad strategy if she wants to pander to the disenfranchised right. I am saying it is an FU to voters who want a real progressive. That is a big FU to a lot of youth who are going to remember this is future elections. It may help with this election, but it is not a great move for the future of the Democratic Party in my opinion.
David Jacobs True enough, so it wouldn’t have been any real problem for her to choose a true progressive to unite the party and make a lot of youth feel included.
Darlene Lawson Slusher true enough and I would have loved to see her with Elizabeth Warren because she’s such a pistol. Personally Corey booker is my favorite but new Jersey is already locked up for her. Interesting to see where the dem party goes after clinton.
It seems like we are see where it is going with people Bernie, Warran and Corey being who the young gravitate to. There are still too many old people around who want to play it safe, but as they die off..
The only thing I don’t like about the Kaine pick is it doesn’t show the young promise of the party of the future but hopefully that will be on display at the convention.
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