McMenamins is still a place to start in speciality brew world here in the Northwest, but with the growth in the industry over the years, there are so many more good choices. To follow on to your comment about rating systems, I guess McM’s becomes the ‘3’ against which to judge the rest, both in terms of brews made and pubs in which to sample those brews. You need to come back out here for a new pub tour. In all honesty, tho’, we do still hit the McM’s Oak Hills Pub or the Cornelius Pass Roadhouse as a default place to get a burger and a decent brew.